tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38656633.post3648400334762107638..comments2024-03-28T01:35:06.113-05:00Comments on Book Chase: Anne Perry / Juliet Hulme (Revisited Again)Sam http://www.blogger.com/profile/17448913705757509608noreply@blogger.comBlogger100125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38656633.post-86201966992568584612012-12-28T04:00:55.892-06:002012-12-28T04:00:55.892-06:00Today there exists in British law the psychiatric ...Today there exists in British law the psychiatric defence of mental impairment, which falls short of medical insanity and which would have related very well to the circumstance of Pauline Parker and Juliet Hulme.<br />Extreme emotional disturbance, such that an accused may suffer from, an over-riding albeit not long-lasting state of psychological freezing.<br />In 1954 the defence team did not Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10553073063907411207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38656633.post-79237440136928673752012-12-17T14:35:39.437-06:002012-12-17T14:35:39.437-06:00I quoted Dr. F.O Bennett's words from a 1954 N...I quoted Dr. F.O Bennett's words from a 1954 Newspaper report on the trial and there is no need to interpret his words in terms of diagnosis. It's not an diagnosis he delivered but an ordinary medical opinion. No one knows if the girls ever got a proper diagnosis concerning their mental health except being diagnosed with homosexuality. Both girls were followed up by psychatrists in prisonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38656633.post-1394266497739833662012-12-17T08:28:14.149-06:002012-12-17T08:28:14.149-06:00I had never really wanted to become enmeshed in di...I had never really wanted to become enmeshed in discussion about Doctors because I have no experience or expertise in that field. But I have discussed them and now stand corrected on the issue of Dr Bennett. Although I have read in the past that Dr Bennett was a GP friend of Henry Hulme, I have now read that he had been involved in several cases concerning psychiatric issues.<br />If we are to Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10553073063907411207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38656633.post-154410234498437162012-12-16T22:38:06.643-06:002012-12-16T22:38:06.643-06:00I have found out that Dr Kenneth Stalworthy who wa...I have found out that Dr Kenneth Stalworthy who was a crown witness did indeed see the girls (albeit for a short period)Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10553073063907411207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38656633.post-70743661121192611262012-12-16T22:30:39.102-06:002012-12-16T22:30:39.102-06:00You quote that certain people aren't psychiatr...You quote that certain people aren't psychiatrists. Was Dr Bennett? Or was he just a GP.Why then are you quoting him.You want it both ways and you are just arguing for the sake of it.The people who closely monitored the, then girls in prison certainly were.So it is good that you concede that Professional people are right. They were right that the girls were not lesbians.Right that Juliet Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10553073063907411207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38656633.post-6352282204909102612012-12-16T18:11:22.359-06:002012-12-16T18:11:22.359-06:00Neither Carl Rosel or Fran Walsh/Peter Jackson are...Neither Carl Rosel or Fran Walsh/Peter Jackson are qualified to make any comments about the mental health of these girls. Why? <br />They're not psychiatrists. They're entitled to have an opinion of course but they're no medical expertise so when Carl Rosel state the girls were not "psychopats" he doesn't know what he's talking about. <br /><br />Dr. Bennett said: &Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38656633.post-44194138824183437162012-12-16T12:43:50.868-06:002012-12-16T12:43:50.868-06:00If people do not like the links that are placed on...If people do not like the links that are placed on this blog because they do not conform to their negative, punitive mindsets,that is too bad for them really. The more that read them instead of the sensationalist garbage that they have, the better.<br />Not one of the witnesses in the trial of the, then girls, spent anywhere near the time that those who closely monitored and studied them did.We Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10553073063907411207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38656633.post-81773474625195664582012-12-15T15:11:07.772-06:002012-12-15T15:11:07.772-06:00Since Carl Rosel hasn't made any comment to th...Since Carl Rosel hasn't made any comment to the article he links to above I can tell that it's an article written by James Bennett and it focus on the Parker-Hulme case and various interpretations by both scholars and artists (for example: Peter Jackson's movie Heavenly Creatures). Bennet's article also focus on the gay aspect of Parker-Hulme case: <br /><br />"All the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38656633.post-82448756869988061282012-12-15T14:48:35.295-06:002012-12-15T14:48:35.295-06:00What's the point with this link dropping? Star...What's the point with this link dropping? Start your very own webpage/homepage/or blog about Anne Perry and Parker-Hulme, Carl Rosel. <br /><br />Anyone who can use Google search can reach out to those articles. Again, what's the point with link dropping? Have you tired hearing your own voice :)<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38656633.post-15688990528605646672012-12-15T12:36:43.831-06:002012-12-15T12:36:43.831-06:00http://ojs.victoria.ac.nz/jnzs/article/view/105/56...http://ojs.victoria.ac.nz/jnzs/article/view/105/56Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10553073063907411207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38656633.post-86196811846811278432012-11-28T20:00:20.400-06:002012-11-28T20:00:20.400-06:00I am enjoying the conversation between the Anonymo...I am enjoying the conversation between the Anonymous posters and Carl. At this point, I personally don't have much more to add to the conversation, but it is interesting that a variety of sentiments continue to be expressed this way. I have given up the notion that we will ever get an honest public reaction from "Perry," but I'm hoping that she leaves something behind after Sam https://www.blogger.com/profile/17448913705757509608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38656633.post-27413171598744550722012-11-28T18:43:23.554-06:002012-11-28T18:43:23.554-06:00You're most welcome to do so! I know this case...You're most welcome to do so! I know this case rise many thoughts and questions. I recently read Joanne Drayton's biography about Anne Perry (released this year) and was annoyed that she (Drayton) make a mission of creating a more "sympatetic" view of Anne Perry. I don't think that should be the goal of any biographer if they wish to stay neutral about the subject the study Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38656633.post-40127697411376365582012-11-28T18:00:24.621-06:002012-11-28T18:00:24.621-06:00Of course the woman doesn't owe any of *us* th...Of course the woman doesn't owe any of *us* these explanations, kindnesses, displays of genuine contrition and growth. She owes those to Honorah Parker Rieper and her family and loved ones--and if she has never reached out to them otherwise, her public comments *are* essentially her comments to those people. She is someone who makes a living writing about human nature, so she knows this very Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38656633.post-38508146861063728642012-11-28T17:58:48.129-06:002012-11-28T17:58:48.129-06:00The same Anonymous again, with a clarification: wh...The same Anonymous again, with a clarification: when I wrote of forgiveness I was speaking of the comments of Parker's sister toward Parker. I have no idea whether or not she has ever expressed forgiveness toward Hulme/Perry. I can imagine--*imagine*, as all of us only imagine--how painful it would be for me to be the child of a murder victim reading the sort of odd, detached dissembling Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38656633.post-18264655309518126002012-11-28T17:24:09.359-06:002012-11-28T17:24:09.359-06:00Thanks for your clarifications and your experience...Thanks for your clarifications and your experiences in discussing this particular case. Just remember that some people aren't worthy argue with. I think you know whom I'm referring too. Thanks for your post, I quite liked it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38656633.post-30457891440043520302012-11-27T19:57:28.873-06:002012-11-27T19:57:28.873-06:00I stated that because Mr. Rosel, quite bizarrely, ...I stated that because Mr. Rosel, quite bizarrely, pops up absolutely everywhere defending Hulme. Rather than suffer more of that I thought I would state from the outset that I am not without compassion for all people, and that I do understand the argument that these girls were very young and very troubled. It is not because of a compassion deficit that I feel a need to call him out for spreading Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38656633.post-51225832670625612792012-11-27T09:22:00.943-06:002012-11-27T09:22:00.943-06:00Since you write you are "sympathetic to perpe...Since you write you are "sympathetic to perpetrators" I guess you also defend rapists and other convicted murderers. Or, is it that you are only "sympathetic to perpetrators" in this case because both women has managed to stay out of trouble after leaving prison? Or are you sympathetic because this case is very famous? They both took part in carefully planned murder. Even the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38656633.post-45430902350463089482012-11-27T05:33:38.139-06:002012-11-27T05:33:38.139-06:00(I meant to say the Weekender story was quoted/ref...(I meant to say the Weekender story was quoted/referenced/posted on September 30 and in early November. It is this piece: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/23441272)<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38656633.post-88946463856843908722012-11-27T05:31:53.168-06:002012-11-27T05:31:53.168-06:00One interesting perspective I've not seen here...One interesting perspective I've not seen here regarding the argument that Hulme was in some way the "leader" of this pair comes from her defense attorney, who believed she was quite nice, quite clever, and quite ill--and was the communicator of any 'insanity' between the pair as well as the force behind their planning. He has, of course, said that the defense had no genuineAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38656633.post-66805123542624573812012-11-27T04:56:32.099-06:002012-11-27T04:56:32.099-06:00Anyone engaging this case honestly must disregard ...Anyone engaging this case honestly must disregard that Argus Weekender post quoted and posted above on September 30 in early November. It's a load of bloated, excitable tabloidspeak so peppered with obvious (and I mean OBVIOUS) falsehoods that I'd advise no one to give it any credence whatsoever, and I'm surprised that Mr. Rosel--who is a reliable presence in pretty much every commentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38656633.post-26587778640835228052012-11-18T14:14:00.559-06:002012-11-18T14:14:00.559-06:00http://www.pacs.canterbury.ac.nz/documents/melbour...http://www.pacs.canterbury.ac.nz/documents/melbourne.pdf<br />Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10553073063907411207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38656633.post-55866662592103525112012-11-03T22:12:44.823-05:002012-11-03T22:12:44.823-05:00http://www.nytimes.com/1994/11/24/movies/making-a-...http://www.nytimes.com/1994/11/24/movies/making-a-film-out-of-of-the-horror-of-mother-murder.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm<br /><br />Sorry about link.Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10553073063907411207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38656633.post-2601685456842472112012-11-02T14:14:18.128-05:002012-11-02T14:14:18.128-05:00http://www.nytimes.com/1994/11/24/movies/making-a-...http://www.nytimes.com/1994/11/24/movies/making-a-film-out-of-the-horror-of-mother-murder.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm<br /><br />Past interview with ( now )Sir Peter Jackson,and Fran Walsh re-making the movie Heavenly Creatures.Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10553073063907411207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38656633.post-70261348866398109342012-11-02T07:08:33.798-05:002012-11-02T07:08:33.798-05:00There are in fact many other Newspaper articles (A...There are in fact many other Newspaper articles (Australia)about the case available on that site. <br />Use the search section: Parker-Hulme,<br />or Juliet Hulme.<br /><br />Over 100 hits<br /><br />Great site.<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38656633.post-85601454934058492962012-11-02T07:00:52.046-05:002012-11-02T07:00:52.046-05:00Carl, thanks for that great link to the actual new...Carl, thanks for that great link to the actual newspaper account of the aftermath of the murder. I always enjoy looking at original documents...much appreciated.Sam https://www.blogger.com/profile/17448913705757509608noreply@blogger.com